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> Waymo and cruise especially, but even a number of others, have demonstrated better autonomy than Tesla.

Have they? They have a different approach where they focus huge effort on individual Geo-fenced locations and they both are losing 100M of $ every year. Neither has given any timeline for general availability in all locations.

The race, as far as I am concerned is still open. It is not at all clear to me that Waymo is ahead at what actually matters.

> Musk has been claiming full self driving is 6 months away for 5 years now, and he hasn't gotten that much closer.

The claim they made no progress is objectively false.



> They have a different approach where they focus huge effort on individual Geo-fenced locations

Where they actually have driverless vehicles. That's the key difference. Waymo and cruise have demonstrated driverless vehicles. People get driverless taxi rides today from waymo, and I think cruise as well. Tesla doesn't. It's still sitting in driver assist land and isn't particularly better than other luxury vehicle driver assist.

> The claim they made no progress is objectively false.

Thankfully that's not what I said.




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