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Looks like propaganda.

Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it? All gone a bit quiet hasn't it? Every few days he makes new claims but never backs them up with evidence.

Any Russian programmers want to comment? How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized? Even here on HackerNews, when was the last time there was any positive story involving Russia and technology? Maybe it was Tetris.

Yesterday Gazprom announced they are selling oil in Rubles and Yuan, no USD involved in the transaction, a story that might not make HackerNews but worthy of reporting in mainstream news, yet the headlines were that Russian hackers had targeted JP Morgan, and a few days before it was Chinese hackers.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la même chose.



I am a Russian coder / data scientist. I am not sure if this particular map is propaganda or not, but I follow Russian, Ukrainian and international news and it seems pretty clear that Russian military is strongly supporting pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine:

- there are numerous stories and videos of Russian "volunteers" with heavy military grade weapons crossing Russian-Ukrainian border throughout the last several months. Some of them are captured by Ukrainian military. Some others are wounded or killed and taken back to Russia for treatment or burial

- pro-Russian rebel leaders often admit to direct Russian military help on video

- just several weeks ago Ukrainian military was advancing fast and getting close to crush the rebels in the last two large cities Lugansk and Donetsk. Suddenly, along with more information about Russian support, the situation reversed and the rebels are on the attack now

- Russia used a similar tactic in Crimea in March: first, suddenly numerous unidentified soldiers appeared on the peninsula and Russia denied they were from Russia. Later, when Crimea was annexed, Russia openly admitted to using "special forces" and rewarded its troops for a successful operation.

Russia may be constantly demonized in the Western media, but there are good reasons for it. Also, just to note, the situation with demonization is much worse inside Russia with extreme lies and propaganda over TV and official mass media.


>Didn't Ukrainian president Poroshenko say he had hard evidence that the rebels and Russia shot down fligth MH17? Where is it?

Are you blind? There's literally tons of evidence. The path of the BUK has been tracked down to meters thanks to satellite imagery. The preliminary report will be released in September confirming what everyone already knows. The Putinbots will surely feign surprise and cry foul yet again.

>Any Russian programmers want to comment?

Sure.

>How does it feel for Russia to be constantly demonized?

It's absolutely deserved. Russian government are corrupt, despicable pieces of trash, and will destroy the country due to their insatiable greed and delusion.


OMG.

> Are you blind? There's literally tons of evidence.

Where? No satellite images, no black box recordings, no air traffic control recordings, etc. have been released to the public or to journalists. Please provide a link to evidence that has been reviewed and agreed on by independent bodies involved in the investigation.

> The path of the BUK has been tracked down to meters thanks to satellite imagery

Where is the satellite imagery? Please post a link.

> The preliminary report will be released in September confirming what everyone already knows.

If the report hasn't even been published yet, how do you or anyone else know what's in it?!

Why don't you let the investigation do it's job before jumping to conclusions?


http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.ru/2014/07/launch-location-dete...

Not to mention BOTH Russian media and Russia-backed terrorists has admitted to downing the plane before it was even know it's MH17.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f00_1405864049

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emfVpkBKoow


I'm sorry, all of this material would be thrown out of court. We really need hard evidence that would stand up in a war crimes trial in the Hague. One guy blogging about pictures he found on the internet is not good enough!


Maybe the Russian "Basmanny" court. Don't tell me that bullshit about "we really need hard evidence". It's obvious that you're a pro-Putin shill, who can only deny, deny, deny no matter how obvious it is. No evidence will ever be enough for you. How do I know this? Because you completely ignored the other 2 links. It's practically an admission of guilt straight from the horses mouth and you're acting like none of that happened.


>There's literally tons of evidence.

I have no dog in this fight, but it would help your argument to provide some actual evidence, not just promises of evidences coming soon.

If you're so convinced, then you must have at least seen some of these or are you just taking the words of others that evidence are coming soon?


You registered to HN right after MH17 was shot down, just to post content blaming Ukraine for the crash. And now you are saying that this 'looks like propaganda'.


Sorry, was hell banned, so switched to new handle. Timing was coincidental.

This map site was only recently registered. Does that mean anything?

http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=liveuamap.com

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=liveuamap

Btw, wasn't blaming Ukraine for MH17, just saying we must keep an open mind, and wait for a full independent investigation before jumping to conclusions.


> Sorry, was hell banned

Aren't you not supposed to create another account after being banned? I wouldn't be surprised if you got hell banned again. You should email info@ycombinator.com to figure out how you can contribute again before creating another account after a hell ban.


It's annoying to lose karma and history, but never get a reply from them.


There is little doubt Russia is performing military advances into established Ukrainian borders.

The linked site is about facts, not feelings. Let's address that; you have other news to discuss? start a suitable thread on its own.


So how do they pay you? Rubles?


RMB, to avoid volatility from sanctions against Russia.


HKD is pegged to the USD so it works well as a proxy, and if you hold for the long-term, you have the potential upside of exchanging to RMB (stronger than the HKD and trend is up versus the USD) if or when the peg is removed.


Russian propaganda account. People inside of Russia are hearing about how the West is demonizing Russia and fabricating controversy.


West, east... same shit. Snowden can't stay in his own country, Assange is prisoner of conscience. Michael Brown in Ferguson, Iraq and "weapons of mass destruction", etc... etc.

I'm from Russia, we have no much freedoms here, shitty healthcare, corruption and other crap, but when I look at the West, it comes to me that I have already seen it somewhere.


False equivalence. Again.

The West is U.S. and Denmark, Sweden, Ireland, Spain, France, Slovakia and Canada and many others.

So no, you don't look at the West, you look at some of the countries of the West with the worst human rights track record and use this as a reason state equivalence, where there is none.


Funny to see this comment downvoted.





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